17 Mar 2008

Rede Feto: Padre sira halo abuzu sexual iha Timor-Leste

Catholic priests and sexual abuse in Timor-Leste - see English translation below

Rede Feto Husu Dioseze Atu Responde Violensia Seksual Husi Padre

tim kla'ak

Padre ho inisial AL halo violensia seksual ba sarani feto. Tanba sa mak tenki liu husi mediasaun no la liu prosesu justisa normal? Instituisaun Igreza no familia rezolve liu hosi mediasaun hodi fo multa osan US $ 1000 ba vitima. Tuir perspetiva Rede Feto katak problema ne'e la akontese iha Distritu Oekusi deit.

Kazu violensia sexual nebe akontese iha Oecusse fulan Outubru tinan 2005 nebe iha feto klosan ho idade 23 (rua nulu resin tolu) hetan violensia sexual husi padre ininsial AL depois ikus mai hetan oan feto ida nebe moris iha fulan Maiu tinan 2006.

Tuir informasaun no realidade ne'ebe mak kla'ak simu husi Advogadu vitima katak kazu ne'e konsege rejista ba iha tribunal Oecusse ho isi gugatan hateten AL rasik halo violensia sexual hasoru feto ne'ebé tuir mai hetan oan. Maibe AL rasik lakohi atu responsabiliza ba nia hahalok ne'ebe kontra morál.

Tuir Padre Pedro do Nascimento Noronha, nudar Padre parokia Oecusse katak los duni kazu violensia sexual halo husi amululik AL ba iha feto bin alin nain rua. Depois de kontinuasaun seidauk iha evidensia konkreta ida iha nebe bele hatudu katak Amululik ne'e maka halo sala ou feto oan nain rua ne'e maka hanesan vitima.

"Klaru tuir moral hanesan amululik ida hatudu hahalok ladiak ba sarani sira maibe hanesan feto no sarani ida mos tenki hatene an atu labele monu ba iha tensaun ida ne'e. Se'e nia hatene ema mane ne'e hanesan amululik nusa tenki husi nia an hodi monu ba sala. Ne'e duni labele hare'e sala mai husi amululik deit," tenik Padre Pedro.

Maibe tuir Inan-Aman husi vitima nain rua katak depois de akontesimentu ne'e padre ininsial AL seidauk mai hasoru familia vitima no responsabiliza ba nia oan husi moris mai to'o labarik oan ne'e halo tinan ida ho balu. "Ami hodi duni kazu ba iha tribunal liu husi NGO Lokal FFSO (Fundasaun Fatu Sinai Oekusi). Maibe atu hetan rezultadu, kleur los. Nee'e duni ikus mai iha tinan 2007 husi igreja Paroki no familia Amululik AL bolu ami ba rezolve liu husi dalan mediasaun ou justisa tradisional iha fatin igreja Parokia Oecusse. Familia husi AL multa sala osan valor $1000 mai ami familia vitima," tenik senhora Texeira hanesan Inan husi vitima.

Bolu familia rua hodi rezolve problema iha igreja parokia Oecusse mai husi inisiativa Amululik Pedro. Tanba nia mos hetan fiar husi Amu Bispo Dioseze Dili atu bele hamutuk rezolve problema ho familia rua ne'e, ne'ebé ikus mai iha konkordansia ida husi familia rua atu bele rezolve husi dalan mediasaun.

Hau hanesan inan husi Vitima lakohi ona atu koalia demais problema ida ne'e. Ami mos familia ida nebe baibain (kiak-kiik - red) no laiha kapasidade atu bele halo buat ruma, tanba ami hein kleur demais hetan rezultadu husi tribunal. Ne'e duni ami mos tuir deit saida maka Padre igreja Paroki Oecusse husu mai ami atu rezolve husi dalan mediasaun, nebe ikus Mi Padre Pedro mos promete mai familia vitima katak nia sei ajuda ami hodi levanta ba oin iha Dioseze rasik," dehan vitima nia inan ho oin ida nebe triste.

Avo husi labarik oan ne'e mos hatutan katak nia sei la hodi tan nia oan nia kazu atu ba rezolve iha dalan seluk fali. Maske ida ne'e tama iha tribunal tanba iha mediasaun ne'e sira halo ona promete ida iha padre igreja parokia Oecusse nomos familia AL sei la foti fila fali kazu sira nia oan ba oin. Sei sira kontra konkordansia ne'e hanesan inan-aman sei multa sala hodi troka osan dua kali lipat.

Bainhira kazu AL ne'e atu rezolve iha institusaun Dioseze, Amu Pedro ne'e hatete katak ida ne'e laos nia servisu maibe ne'e Amu Bispo nia responsabilidade atu reposta nia hanesan padre bele fasilita familia rua ne'e hodi halo mediasaun." To'o agora AL no vitima seidauk hasoru malu hodi rezolve problema iha insitusaun Dioseze. Ida ne'e hau lahatene ita boot sira bele ba hasoru Amu Bispo Dioseze Dili tanba ida ne'e nia servisu no responsabilidade atu resposta," hatan Amu Pedro ho lian makas.

Ubalda Alves hanesan Direitora Rede Feto ba kla'ak hateten katak kazu violensia sexual halo husi Amululik, akontese iha Oecusse hanesan izemplo ida. Sei iha kazu balu hanesan ne'e akontese iha distritu balu mos. Sira vitima ou feto maluk seidauk iha korajen atu hatete sai ba iha publika no komunidade sobre akontesimentu tanba deit moe no ema nebe sai hanesan suspeitu maka padre. Kondisaun husi vitima ida ne'e sai hanesan difikuldade mai ami nebe servisu iha area promove feto nia direitu atu bele foti sira nia problema.

"Rede Feto mos simu kazu sobre violensia sexual nebe halo husi amululik iha distritu Baucau maibe wainhira ami buka atu hakbesik an vitima la brani atu koalia sai sobre sira nia kazu rasik. Balu to'o hadok sira-an hodi muda hela fatin iha Indonezia. Balu mos ami buka koalia no koko telefone sira sempre tauk atu koalia sai," dehan aktivista feto ne'e iha ninia servisu fatin, Rede Feto, Kolmera.

Tuir Ubalda katak husi Rede Feto senti la kontenti saida maka amululik balu halo ba feto sira. "Hahalok hanesan ne'e kontra no viola direitus humanus liu-liu ema feto ida, tuir lolos Amululik ne'e sai hanesan ezemplu ida ba sosiadade. Maibe sai fali hanesan suspeitu ida ba violensia sexual," hatutan Ubalda.

Ne'e duni Rede Feto liu husi nia membrus hanesan Fokupers, Alola Foundation nomos parseiru Pradet, JSMP no NGO sira seluk prontu atu bele fo asistensia ba iha vitima se karik hakarak fo sai nia problema.

Ubalda mos haforsa tan katak Rede Feto ho nia membrus prontu atu ajuda liu husi asistensia uma mahon hodi halo konseling, asistensia legal sekarik hakarak hodi ba prosesu tribunal nomos sei fo korajen ba nia ho ami nia forsa tomak. Kazu abuzu ou violensia sexual ida ne'e krimi laos kazu baibain nebe persiza resolve husi mediasaun ou justisa tradisional. "Persiza liu husi prosesu justisa iha tribunal, tanba liu husi tribunal nia sei hetan direitu hanesan vitima iha lei nia oin," afirma eiz membru staf Fokupers ne'e.

Ubalda realsa tan katak hanesan reprezentante organizasaun feto tomak, husu ba iha Dioseze atu bele konsidera kazu sira ne'e hanesan krimi no ameasa ema padre nia moral. Dioseze tenki iha seriu no halo afirmasuan hodi rezolve kazu hanesan ne'e. Labele husik nonok no ikus mai mout tiha iha tasi laran.

Dioseze mos keta husik vitima atu nonok deit maibe persiza atu fo korajen ba iha familia vitima hodi ba prosesa iha justisa tribunal hanesan ema sivil baibain. Kazu violensia nebe krimi laos rezolve ho maneira muda ou transfera fali amululik ba fali fatin seluk. Ida ne'e dalan ne'ebe laos atu rezolve problema. "Hau senti iha igreja rasik iha lei kanonika numeru 1395 artigu 1 no 2 tinan 1395 hateten sekarik iha padre ida involve iha kazu krimi hanesan violensia sexual, abuzu sexual ou hahalok violensia nebe halakon ema nia moris, ida ne'e kontra ukun fuan 6 no bele hetan sansaun penal nomos espulsu husi Igreja. Maibe husi ida ne'e persiza mos ba hatan iha tribunal hodi responsabiliza nia hahalok at ne'e," dehan Ubalda.

Ubalda esplika liu tan katak husi Rede Feto diresaun adovokasia sei hakas-an atu buka tuir problema sira hanesan ne'e to'o ikus mai bele hetan justisa. Tuir rede feto katak sarani iha Timor sei konservativa no tauk ba padre sira. Maibe rede feto sei koko oinsa atu bele esplika ba sira katak iha lei nia oin la halo diferensia ba ema se'e deit.

Bainhira padre paroki igreja Oecusse hamutuk família AL nomos vitima rezolve problema iha dalan mediasaun no la iha reprezentante husi Polisia nomos advogadu vitima nebe fasilita husi NGO FFSO, sei hamosu perguntas barak. "Hau la hatene sira rezolve husi dalan justisa tradisional ou mediasaun tanba husi vitima no padre parokia rasik la fo hatene mai ami hanesan ema nebe fo asistensia legal ba família vitima," tenik John hanesan direktur FFSO.

Wainhira jornalista kla'ak tenta atu halo konfirmasaun ba Bispo Dioseze Dili, Dom Alberto Ricardo da Silva iha ninia servisu fatin iha Câmara, Padre Apolinário Guterres nu'udar Vigário Jeral Dioseze Díli hateten katak Amu Bispo Ricardo iha semana ida no fulan hirak nia laran la iha tempu atu bele hasoru jornalista. "Hau hanesan Vigário Jeral labele responde ba kazu ida ne'e. Amu Bispo maka iha kna'ar atu bele responde. Karik durante loron hirak nia laran, Amu Bispo sei laiha tempu atu responde tanba servisu barak," tenik Padre Guterres.

Se karik, padre balun halo violensia seksual ba feto, tanba saida mak labele lori ba iha tribunal. Nasaun ne'e, justisa ba ema kiik-kiak deit? Wait and see.

Rede Feto demands Church to answer claims of sexual abuse by priests

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A priest is alleged to have committed sexual abuse against a woman. This case was then handled through mediation outside the formal justice system. Through the mediation, the Church and the victim's family agreed on a payment of damage for the victim of US$1000. The Rede Feto (an umbrella organisation representing women's NGOs) believes that this type of issue is not only limited to Oecusse

In October of 2005 a 23 year old woman was sexually assaulted by a priest, known only as AL. She later gave birth to a baby girl in May of 2006.

According to the victim's lawyer, this case has been forwarded to the court of law in Oecusse where AL is accused of sexual assault, which also resulted in the victim's pregnancy. However AL has denied all responsibility for his actions.

Pedro do Nascimento Noronha, the parish priest of Oecusse, confirms that AL did commit such act against two sisters. However he also says that there is no substantial evidence to prove that AL committed these acts or that the two women are in fact the victims.

"Of course, morally, as a priest, he has shown a bad behaviour to the members of the Church. But as a woman, and a Christian, she too should be conscious that she should not fall into temptation. If she knows that the man is a priest, why did she allow herself to make this mistake? So we should not look only at the priest's mistake," Noronha says.

However, according to the victims' mother, AL has yet to meet the victim's family and assume responsibility for his daughter, who is now a year and a half. "We have taken this case to the court with the help of a local NGO called FFSO (Fundasaun Fatu Sinai Oecusse). But it has taken a long time to get any solution. Finally in 2007 the Parish Church and AL's family called us to resolve this issue through mediation or traditional justice at Oecusse church. AL's family paid a fine of US$1000 to the victim's family," Mrs. Texeira, the victim's mother says.

Calling on both families to resolve this case had been an initiative of the Oecusse Parish prist. Noronha had been assigned by the Bishop of Dili's Diocese to help mediate between the two families. Both families reached an agreement through his mediation.

"As the victim's mother I don't want to talk about this problem too much. We are just an ordinary family without the means to do much. We have waited for too long for any results from the court. So we just follow whatever the Oecusse Parish priest asks of us, to resolve this issue through mediation. Padre Pedro also promised us that he will help us bring up this issue to the Diocese," the victim's mother says with apparent sadness.

The baby's grandmother adds that she will not try to find other ways of finding a solution to her daughter's case. The victim and her family promised the Oecusse Parish priest and AL's family that they will not proceed with this case any further although the case has been handed to the court. If they reneged on their promise, as parents of the victim, they will be fined with twice the amount they received from AL's family.

When they tried to bring the AL's case to the Diocese, Noronha said that it was no longer his responsibility but it was the Bishop's responsibility to deal with this issue. As a priest he was only asked to mediate between the two families. The victim's and AL's families have not yet met to resolve this problem at the Diocese. "I don't know about this issue and you can see the Bishop of Diocese because this is his responsibility to answer," Noronha retorts angrily.

The director of Rede Feto, Ubalda Alves, told Kla'ak that cases of sexual violence involving the priests do not occur only in Oecusse. There are other cases which take place in other districts as well. The victims, or the women involved, don't yet have enough courage to come out publicly and denounce these incidences because of shame and because the suspect is a priest. This type of attitude makes it difficult for those who work in the area of promotion of women's rights to raise these issues.

"Rede Feto has also received cases of sexual violence involving the priests in the district of Baucau but when we approached them, the victims become too afraid to speak out about their ordeals. Some went as far as moving out and moved to Indonesia. We also tried to contact some of them by phone but they are always afraid to speak out," Ubalda Alves said through an interview at Rede Feto office in Colmera.

Alves says that Rede Feto feels saddened by what the priests have committed against the women. "These types of actions violate human rights, in particular the rights of a woman. The priests should be a role model for the society. But they have become suspects of sexual violence," Alves added.

The Rede Feto, through its member organisations like Fokupers, Alola Foundation, and its partners, Pradet, JSMP and other NGOs are ready to assist the victims who want to bring up their problems.

Ubalda has also stressed that Rede Feto and its members are ready to help the victims with the provision of safe houses and counselling; legal assistance, should the victims wish to take up their cases to the courts; and providing the victims with moral support. Sexual abuse is a crime. It's not an ordinary case which should be resolved through traditional justice. "It should be handled through the court because only through the court can the victim's rights be upheld before the law," the former Fokupers activist said.

Alves stressed further that the representatives of all women's organisations have asked the Diocese to look into these cases as crimes. These cases are a threat to the priests' moral integrity. The Diocese should have firm conviction to confront these cases. They should not be silenced and swiped under the carpet.

The Diocese should not encourage the victims to be silent but it must encourage the victims and their families to take up these cases in the court of law like any ordinary citizen. Criminal cases should not be resolved by transferring the priests to other locations. This is not the way to solve these problems. "I think the Church's Canon law number 1395, Article 1 and 2, year 1395, says that if a priest is involved in a criminal case such as sexual violence, sexual abuse or other acts of violence which result in the death of another person, he has violated the 6th Commandment and he can receive suspension as well expulsion from the Church. Nevertheless we should also answer before the court of law to account for our actions," Alves says.

Alves further explains that Rede Feto's department of advocacy is determined to continue following these cases until some justice is achieved. According to Rede Feto, some members of Timor's Catholic church are still very conservative and are fearful of the priests. But Rede Feto will find ways to educate them that before the law everyone is equal.

The way that the Oecusse Parish priest, together with the families of AL and the victim, undertook this mediation without the presence of the Police and the legal councillors representing the victim through the assistance of the NGO FFSO, will raise many questions. "I don't know if they are going to resolve this issue through traditional justice or mediation because the victim's and the Parish priest's sides have not informed us" John, the director of FFSO, the group which facilitated legal assistance to the victim's family, says.

When Kla'ak tried to contact the Bishop of Dili, Mgr. Ricardo da Silva, at his office at the Câmara, for comments, Padre Apolinário Guterres, the Vicar General said that the Bishop is not, and will not be, available to speak to any journalist for the next weeks or months. "As the Vicar General I cannot comment on this issue. Only the Bishop can comment on this issue. It seems like the Bishop will not have any time to respond because he has lots of work," Guterres says.

If some priests have committed sexual assault against a women, why can't this case be brought before the court of law? Is justice only for the ordinary people in this country? Wait and see.

31 comments:

domdaibere said...

Lalika kokotek demais kona ba issue abuso sexual ne'e tan igreija mos sidauk hasai statement ida katak padre sira iha immunidade contra lei quando sira comete iha crime saida deit....

Agora dadauk ne hotu2 agresivo los atu foti issue ida ne laos deit tan direitos humano ninia naran maibe buat lo los ne ....."marxista sira ho ateo" sira nebe mak "marie alkatiri" ho FRETILIN maputo forma ne agora aproveita koalia les ibun kuak luan hodi ataca igeija e haklalak para ema nia atencao muda tiha ba topico ida ne e haluha tiha problema corupcao ida nebe marie alkatiri halo ho ninia familia iha tempo liu ba e KKN ho grupo sectarian protestante ho muslimano sira para atu ataca sarani sira ....

se imi les ibun kuak la diak los ne nusa mak imi la levanta tok problema be xanana het estraga feto hira comeca husi ninia fen bot emilia e ida fali agora faluk iha lospalos to'o mistisa sira balu hahoris mais nonok hela iha dili neba ne ???!!!!

Asu sira hodi naran rede feto ga rede bikan ga saida deit ne mos barak mak sai hela "isteri simpanan" ema nia e comete vida at liu prostituicao, agora mai les kidun kuak hanesan fali santa be buka naran bot ne.
Alem de xanana bot barak iha AMP, FRILIN MAPUTO( por exemplo deit mak eis vicio ministro interior alcino barros halo kabuk ema nia oan feto mais la toma responsabilidade to agora ), e feto timor bara barak tan mak sofre sai feto nebe kabuk ga hahoris nonok sem iha oportunidade para lamenta quando sira kabuk e bot sira abandona sira iha vida miseravel nia laran ne nusa imi la foti tok buat ne e halo advocao ba sira ???!!! e feto timor sira uluk tropas indonesia estraga ne to agora imi halo ona saida ba sira para luta ba sira nia direitos hanesan feto ???!!!

Lalika buka naran hodi direitos feto ninia naran quando hakarak sai popular ga conhecida hare ba escola hodi sai matenek para foti rai ninia futuro, laos hein sai instrumentos deit ema usa para explora situacao oi oin para favoresa partido ida ga grupo ida ni naran..........!!!

Anonymous said...

ba beikten naran domdaibere iha leten ne diakliu lalika koalia tun sae hodi dun tun sae. se alkatiri ho ninia familia halo kkn ne nusa la fo tok naran mai ho hatudu tok korupsaun ne mosu hanusa??? keta uluk iha fretilin nia ukun keta la konsege hetan proyek karik ne mak depois tama fali ba fretilin mudansa. ikus mai sei la hetan nafatin proyek mak to ikus ataka fali amp ho ema hotuhotu. ba domdaibere asuten beik ten ne, uluk durante kampanha eleisaun breok ramos torta temi tun sae atu halo auditing ba governo fretilin anterior maibe to agora auditing ne la mosu. tamba sa???? tamba iha auditing ne sei la hamosu prova ruma hasoru lideransa fretilin, maibe sim, sei hamosu prova katak fretilin mudansa nebe agora iha governo amp nian barak mak halos korrupsaun hanesan victor da costa, cesar moreira, vicente maubossi, ruben carvalho, jose luis guterres, januario pereira, etc. etc. ne duni se brani karik lalika koalia tun sae mak barak. halo asaun ruma para ita hare se mak los no se mak sala. se lae em ves de bolu an domdaibere diak liu bolu an domasuten deit okkkkkk.... estupido beikten ba portugal mos sei beik hanesan asu.... apa lagi ba hasai tan curso iha lerek uni coimbra..... ahhhahhahaaeeeeee loiiiiiii ba hanesan kuda fila hanesan burro!!!

domdaibere said...

Asu lekirauk ida hanesan o ne'e mak at liu fali asu nia kidung kuak dodok ne'e tan imi ne moris ho lambe marie ho xanana nia kidung ne mak ohin loron imi nia ulun ne'e te mak nakonu iha laran,...
agora dadauk ne'e fahi ida xanana ho ninian AMP sidauk rasta marie ho ninia familia ba kadeia tan sira sei usa hela ninia existencia hanesan instrumento ida para halo manobra politica tun sae hodi hametin posicao AMP nian lai incluindo halo maus tiha lai lekirauk sira claim ninia an hanesan militante FRETILIN ne be mak agora sei hela iha campo refugiado laran e maioria iha lorosae neba ne'e, e iha parte seluk mos xanana lakohi bok arbiru tan sira ho marie mos uluk hamutuk nauk osan povo nia iha tempo governo anterior FRETILIN neba ....

mais quando to'o refugiado fila hotu ona ba nia fatin e situacao diak fali ona mak o hare xanana sei hatudu lo los ninian kulit hanesan animal hamrok povo ninia ran ne'e nia hamos hotu imi ho o nia maun marie hotu kedas asu beik ten.....

hau laos hanesan o ga imi ne be mak moris halis tun sae ba partidu ga grupo ne be deit mak fila ulun ho kidun ba malu para nanal lambe malu hodi nauk povo nia rico soi e fakar ran tun sae, mais hau moris buka para sadere ba lia los iha qualquer situaco saida deit e sei nune'e nafatin sem hare ba se deit e .....

o tama mai deit ho id anonymous ne'e hatudu kedas katak o nia identidade laiha hanesan hotu ho arabe marie be imigrante , comunista rai la iha e nunca iha religiao ho dignidade fara mais moral hanesan ema.

Ema hanesan imi ho xanana ga marie ne'e....inan samaean, aman buan manas e sae malu iha du'ut laran maka hahoris imi iha fahi luan laran ne'e mak ohin loron hahoris ateis e puta hanesan imi ne'e....

asu o hakarak mai buka hau hau hein o ho o nia maluk arabe sira be lakleur tan AMP atu limpa sira mos hotu husi rai timor ne'e....se mak moris husi fakar povo nia ran maka nia mos sei tuir hotu

Anonymous said...

Padre halo abosu sexual ne'e sala boot! Moe boot! Igreja Timor-Leste labele nonok maibe tengke halo asaun ruma. Forsa indonesia estraga feto Timor ne mos sala boot ida tan ne'e justica ita seidauk hetan. Apalagi maun boot Xanana ho nia reconsiliasaun, i hakuak malu tan ho jeneral Indonezia no lider milisia sira sa ita luta ba justica mos sei keleur karik. Igreja nia Peace and Justice Foundation nebe Pe. Martino Gusamao lidera mos sei la halo te ida (apalagi nonok bainhira nia maluk Pe balun halo abuju sexual). Mari Alkatiri ka Xanana halo KKN ne'e mos sala. Tan ne ita presija investigasaun independente ida hodi halo took investigasaun konaba KKN iha governo uluk no AMP. Domdaibere lalika defende padre sira nebe estraga feto sira. ita boot defende antaun ita laos kristaun diak ida maibe diabo ida nebe defende diabo het aat ida nebe subar iha batina mutin nia kotuk.

Domdaibere lalika rasista deimais tamba Timor ne multi ras. Ras Arabe, Mistisu Portuesa, Indonezia, Australia ka sel-seluk tan nebe butuk hamutuk iha rai Timor ne'e mesak Timor oan hotu. Tan sira nia ran mos fakar iha rai lulik ne'e. Lalika ataka ema bo membabi buta ok!

Danur said...

Padre mak halo abuso sexual ba feto ran sira nee hatun deit dignidade igreja no misionaries sira.

Padre halo abosu sexual laos akontese deit iha Oequse maibe kuaze iha distritus hotu-hotu maibe vitimas sira moe atu loke kaju nee tanba hasoru igreja nomos kultura timor nian nebe tau religiozas sira iha fatin nebe as.

Hau iha kolegas balu nebe nia aman Padre, sira mos sai vitima no sofre psikology bainhira ema balu husu sira katak " O nia pai naran saida" ? dala ruma sira temi fali sira nia avo ou tiu nia naran tanba sira tauk ema hatene sira nia aman nee padre.

Padre halo relasaun sexual neé normal (tanba nia mos humana) maibe nia tenki halo ho dignidade. Labele ba asaltu deit ninia mudika ou ema sira nebe tein ba padre sira no too ikus mai koandu ema isin rua sira husik tiha liman.

Diak liu mak padre sira mos gentle deit atu hasoru justica e se hakarak duni halo sex lor loron entaun entrega hela batina ba igreja, e hatais fali kalsa levis and looking for fun... daripada halo moe an no hatun digindade igreja... diak liu sai mai liur e.. halo yayaya

Anonymous said...

hua mos nudar sarani krisrtaun ida mope ho hahalok padre sira nian...ne ida maka karik ita sei hanoin iha Biblia jesu sempre temi ema Fariseu (amu lulik) sira ne "Hipokrit: ne tebes duni ba sira so hatais maka batina mutin maibe laran ne metan tebes.....liu ba sira nebe maka komiti ona krimi estraga ema feto sira and nein fo hatene sai ne...turi hau sira nia sala sei bot liu fali sarani sira nebe maka konfessa ba sira....tebes karik Jesus atu besik duni mai fali....Maromak hela ho ita hotu nebe maka tau fiar ba Nia...Amen

timoriginal said...

hahahahahaah

khgr said...

Afinal padre ms tijaun at pa..!!!!!!!! keta hare kona ema nia oan feto nia kelen mutin ne karik...

Amu AL... Mai dili det.. iha ne huin barak mk buka lasan.. satan lasan asrama sira nian ne feto barak man kan (problema jarang het ne bro)..

Depende u dt hakarak huin sma k? smp k? mahasiswi k? Janda k? ema nia fen k? g huin strangeiro..

Iha ne barak lozzz e mesak furak furak det.. hakarak het ho modelo sai mos bele dt..

Viva Huin Manas

khgr said...

domdaibere... o ne keta s3 karik...
Iha timor ne kubu 2 det AMP ho oposisi.. se o laos 2 ne ht ntau o ne kategoria ba "PUTA".

PUTA ne signifika katak "uluk Fretilin depois afilia ba Mudanca Trabaun no ikus mai la hetan benefisiu husi amp ntau fila kontra xanana...

Ne mak sai ema ne tengke firimi ho ita nia prinsipiu keta sadere tun sae, keta se kidung tun sae, se lae ikus mai o nia kidung mk luan lerek.

Hahahahahaha... diak liu o ba hamrik iha estrada ninin det para hein ema mai tula hodi ba hakruk iha ponte okos..

hahahahahahahahaha....
H apoiu saidak anymous hateten ne.. o ne frustradu tamba la hetan projecto....

Viva Fretilin
"Prontu para tuir MARCHA DA PAZ PARA SALVA NASAUN"

Anonymous said...

Maluk doben sira nebe koalia iha blog ida nee. Parabens ba imi nia moralidade no parabens ba imi nia dignidade nebe imi iha.
Maibe tuir hau nia hanoin molok atu koalkona bama seluk nia immoralida uluk knanain tenke hanoin lai kona ba imi nia. Imi iha ka lae? Imi halo an hanesan ema nene atu salva ema seluk no hatun ema seluk.
Husi buat nene imi fo sai ba malu iha blog nee liu husi imi nia sentimentos sira nee hatune katak imi beik liu fali la komprende kona buat nebe imi koalia. Exemple: imi koalia kona ema seluk nia moral la iha maibe imi liafuan sira nebe sai nee la hatudu iha imi iha moral no dignidade. Imi koalia hanesan nudar ema immoral no inkapacidade tan sa tenke koalia ema? Imi hatudu diskusaun iha blog nee atu hatudu katak imi matenek maibe lae hatudu los imi beik. Tan liafuan sira nebe hatudu nee ema beik nia.
Hau la hatene tan sa mak blog inteligente nia hatudu ba mundo imi nia beik ten. "se-olah-olah" atu hatudu katak imi matenek maibe hatudu los imi nia beik... maski imi la fo imi nia identidade maibe nee sai husi imi nia fuan.
Nee duni hanoin ba kona buat nebe o koalia iha blog nee iha valor ka lae? Ou hatudu o nia dignidade nudar ema rasional nebe hatene buat nebe los no la los ka lae? Se lae iha hakilar kona ba ema seluk hanesan ita mak heroi ida maibe ao kontrario fali.
Nee duni maun alin sira ita deskuti malu maibe ho logika no razoes atu nune ita bele tulun malu no aprende buat ruma husi blog nee.
Blog nee tenke hanoin katak fo facilidade ba ema atu tulun malu la os atu tolok malu no hatudu estpidagem ba malu.
Obrigado ba blog nee no ba maluk sira hotu nebe koalia iha blog nee..
Mauko'o
Manado

Anonymous said...

Hey... mauko'o inatema,,,Milisi
Se blog ne loke ba ema matenek det ntau dehan sai para ami beik ne'e lalika assesu 1.

Se o ema matenek nain diak liu lalika fo komentario ba ema beik nia statement + ami nia kapasidade mk hanesan ne ona nb o lalika halo kole an atu moral tun sae.

se sente o nia an matenek nain, diak liu o fo moral det ba amu AL para keta tijaun ba ema nia oan feto.

Tama sala Beik sira sei rebenta o nia kidung.

Lari gi mata

Anonymous said...

hi, maluk sira, karik atu koalia prezisa hanoin uluk lai, i mos koalia uza neon no kakutak, labele uza fali ain tur + aintur ne uza para hodi hakneak laos hodi hanoin no koalia.

o temi sai ema seluk nia isin fukun, o lahanoin katak iha dadaun o nia isin lolon ne saida? 1 o lori ne mak nia lori nee, nb o temi ema seluk nia isin fukun, hanesan mos o temi o nian rasik, sasan 2 nee la seluk 1. so diferensa deit nia kor.

Anonymous said...

HEIIIII,,,LALIKA KOMENTARIO BAR-BARAK ...Tanto Feto ho Mesak HET aat dt,,,

imi sira komentario... sira nee HET la Hatene karik???

Ka Panleiru???

Anonymous said...

Bow..O nia coment ne furak duni,kapas liu tan kuando O kolia rasik iha O nia feton k o nia nian oin ne k bow..

"hanoin halo didiak mak kolia"

Anonymous said...

kolia at feto ne..
keta kolia rasik O nia mae karik..

O matenek pa bro!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Sim…hau apoio ho block nain iha leten ne’e…tamba koalia maibe nia la hatene katak nia koalia ba nia an rasik…buat nebe nia koalia ba feto ne’e pasti nia koalia kona ba nia Mae, nia Feton ou ninia ferik oan rasik mak lori nia an tun sa’e atu faan ba ema seluk tan nia katuas oan nebe koalia ne’e laiha servisu atu halo hodi sustenta nia moris ne’e mak nia fa’an nia mae ho nia feton ou nia ferik oan para atu hetan osan stabil.
Stabil sa…apalagi nain tolu ou nain haat…ne’e osan tama dala ida ne’e miazumenus hira mak primo ida koalia ne’e hetan woi……ahhhaaaaaaaaa, loiiiiiiii, feto hotu la’os hanesan imi koalia ne’e ou la hanesan o nia mae, o nia feton no o nia ferik oan… Santai deit sa…Maromak hare ema nia laran no liur hotu…buat nebe nia koalia sei fila hikas ba nia –an rasik tan hokum karma berlaku hela….
Domdaibere....o para matenek pa...han seda mak ne'e...han te karik tan osan laiha atu hola hahan....haiaaaa o para matenek!Hau admira o nia beik pa!

Anonymous said...

ba sira koment ne'e favor kalia refere ba ema labele temi Padre + buat rua ne'e buat ketak ida. ba rede feto no sira be koment a'at hodi hatete padre, imi ne'e mak komunista lolos no ini tenki hatene katak Organisasaun ou partidu ruma mak sei iha faham komunista ne'e la zaman ona e mundu hakribi imi tan ne'e imi sei lamanan to imi nia fulun mutin deit.thank's

Anonymous said...

Hai rede feto, buka eduka feto Timor sira ba, atu labele sai kanten demais. Uluk liu feto puta la dun iha, ohin loron, TL independenti tiha ona, iha tan rede feto, maibe labarik mos sai puta buka deit ema nia kaben.

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I can not understand how so many priests today are accused of sexual abuse! is disgusting!

Anonymous said...

To someone above,

If you don't understand, you can ask " REDE BIKAN' as they might explain it to you.

Long Life rede bikan.

Anonymous said...

het deit het la mate nee het deit too mate mak para het. het nafatin amu sira. het too lasanbeen sira sai hotu tiha mos diak.

Anonymous said...

Hei keta koali tarata malu ne'e hanesan labarik diak liu bulak deit mak pas imisira komentar ne.

Anonymous said...

eihh.........! maluk timor oan sira oinsa mk timor ne´e bele ba oin sekrk ita nia hahalok hasensan ne´e? gosta mak mete ema nia vida.ba imi sira ne´ebe coment at ema ne´e mane ntaun imi kolia at imi nia inan feton sira,se feto ntaun hateke took ba kraik lai!hatudu liman ba ema seluk maibe liman fuan hat ne´e fila hela mai imi!

Anonymous said...

Ba maluk sira nebe hakarak Insulta malu , koalia ho didiak keta trata malu to emvisa ema seluk no lori ema boot sira nia naran hodi tau iha publico ne,e la dun diak, fo imagens aat ba feto timor oan sira liu hosi Internet .
Tamba Internet ne,e buat ida que foun atu lori mensagen diak ba malu no fo konhece buat foun nebe ita mos sei dauk hare no hatene ou Komprende

Anonymous said...

hau husu ba maluk doben sira? favor ida keta tarata malu tan???? tenki hadomi malu,no mos lalika tarata feto timor oan sira? tamba husi feto mak ita moris??? Surga Di Bawah Telapa Kaki Ibu.....??

Anonymous said...

hau husu ba maluk doben sira? favor ida keta tarata malu tan???? tenki hadomi malu,no mos lalika tarata feto timor oan sira? tamba husi feto mak ita moris??? Surga Di Bawah Telapa Kaki Ibu.....??

Anonymous said...

hau hakarak atu koalia deit konaba padre sira nebe halo abuzu sexual ba labarik feto sira. hanesan iha suai hau pernah rona ema balu koalia katak amu balu iha suai mos fo ona oan ba ema nia oan feto dpois la responsabiliza ba nia hahalok. agora hau hanesan ema sarani ida hakarak husu ba amu bispo no nai lulik sira nebe halao maromak nia dutrina ho diak, atu tur hamutuk hodi hare lisuk kazu hanesan amu lulik sira nebe fo oan ba ema nia oan feto. perguntas: nusa mak la hasai tia ninia batina no haruka nia fila ba hola deit ema nia oan feto ne??

LeVoNo VaNzO said...

hau konkorda maka'as maluk sira balun nia hanoin kona ba labele trata feto timor, ne'e klaru se bele maluk doben sira labele trata malu hela deit liliu ba feto timor oan sira PARA trata FETO ok

Anonymous said...

akontesemento Padre 1 nebe fo oan ba feto ka estraga labarik feto ne, lolos igreja presiza hare no oinsa bele prevene padre sira seluk atu labele halo hanesan ne tamba ne hatun dignidade igreja iha sarani sira nia matan, sarani sira fiar igreja ne tamba attetudi padre sira nebe mak hatais batina nebe lorloron halo misa no haklaken evangelu.kazu ne mos hatudu katak iha lei ne fraku tebes no defende ema sira nebe iha posisaun bot no famousu sira no hatama ema kiak, beik no frakeza sira ba kadeia maske sira ne vitima. Timor presiza ema hirak nebe mak bele independete, se amlulik halo sala ba hatan iha kadeia tuir lei nebe iha, karik bot balun mete iha korupsaun mos hatan iha kadeia. laos ema beik no kiak ida naok deit semente saku 1 pengusaha sira tuntut selu selae lori ba tribunal. Timor hanesan ne mak ladiak.

Maubere said...

feto sira mos tengki hatene, ema nee padre o ba tuir fali, o mos salah. se perkosa, nee oin seluk.

Anonymous said...

Mayoria institusaun Igreija iha Timor Leste ne hahalok Bispo no mos Padre sira nia hanesan deit ema bain2.. Sai Padre, buka ema atu hanai sira bot liu fali Maromak, hakarak povu halo buat hotu ba sira ho gratis, mentalidade feodal, okupa propriedade barak, halo lutu as iha sira nia residensia.. maibe dehan bibi atan. Gosta osan, feto no buat mundu nia, haluha ou abandona tia ona sira nia knar spiritual. Depois povu tama ba relijiaun seluk mak sira dehan povu laiha fe.. se los mak laiha fe? Institusaun Igreija iha Timor precisa halo reality check... tempu muda ona.. ema nia matenek mos aumenta, iha kapasidade atu analysa ita bot sira nia hahalok... labele hanoin povu nia hanoin hanesan uluk nafatin. Se sai Amu Lulik par hanoin mundu nia..diak liu onestu deit ba imi nia an.. tara tia Batina sagradu ne no halao imi nia vida hanesan ema bain2..